Empress of the Seas 1864

[Russell]

Does anyone know if a complete passenger list exists for this ship's 1864
voyage between Liverpool and Melbourne? I am searching for details of David
Holden from Co. Carlow, Ireland. His wife Catherine (nee Doyle) and their
infant son Edward were on board. Can anyone help?

[Keith Radford]

Hello Russell,
From Victorian Records http://proarchives.imagineering.com.au/default.htm
can find
HOLDEN EDWD I JUN 1864 EMPRESS OF THE SEAS B 232 007
HOLDEN MARGT 15 JUN 1864 EMPRESS OF THE SEAS B 232 001


also a
DOYLE CATH 22 JUN 1864 EMPRESS OF THE SEAS B 232 001



Is it possible the parent/s died on the voyage?

further information would be available from the given microfiche 232, and
page given.
The only 'David Holden' arriving found is
HOLDEN DAVID 28 DEC 1869 CHARLOTTE GLADSTONE B 288 008



Regards,

[wollar1914]

Edward died aged 4 months 17 March 1864 ar sea on board father David,
Mother Catherine Unknown
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Post by Keith Radford
Hello Russell,

Post by Keith Radford
From Victorian Records http://proarchives.imagineering.com.au/default.htm

can find
HOLDEN EDWD I JUN 1864 EMPRESS OF THE SEAS B 232 007
HOLDEN MARGT 15 JUN 1864 EMPRESS OF THE SEAS B 232 001
also a
DOYLE CATH 22 JUN 1864 EMPRESS OF THE SEAS B 232 001
Is it possible the parent/s died on the voyage?
further information would be available from the given microfiche 232, and
page given.
The only 'David Holden' arriving found is
HOLDEN DAVID 28 DEC 1869 CHARLOTTE GLADSTONE B 288 008
Regards,
--
Lynne, Sydney, AUSTRALIA

Post by Keith Radford
Does anyone know if a complete passenger list exists for this ship's 1864
voyage between Liverpool and Melbourne? I am searching for details of
David Holden from Co. Carlow, Ireland. His wife Catherine (nee Doyle) and
their infant son Edward were on board. Can anyone help?

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[wollar1914]

This if funny because the CD shows Edward arriving as being 1 yearin June
1864
Someone is wrong
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Post by wollar1914
Edward died aged 4 months 17 March 1864 ar sea on board father David,
Mother Catherine Unknown
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Post by Keith Radford
Hello Russell,

Post by Keith Radford
From Victorian Records http://proarchives.imagineering.com.au/default.htm

can find
HOLDEN EDWD I JUN 1864 EMPRESS OF THE SEAS B 232 007
HOLDEN MARGT 15 JUN 1864 EMPRESS OF THE SEAS B 232 001
also a
DOYLE CATH 22 JUN 1864 EMPRESS OF THE SEAS B 232 001
Is it possible the parent/s died on the voyage?
further information would be available from the given microfiche 232, and
page given.
The only 'David Holden' arriving found is
HOLDEN DAVID 28 DEC 1869 CHARLOTTE GLADSTONE B 288 008
Regards,
--
Lynne, Sydney, AUSTRALIA

Post by Keith Radford
Does anyone know if a complete passenger list exists for this ship's
1864 voyage between Liverpool and Melbourne? I am searching for details
of David Holden from Co. Carlow, Ireland. His wife Catherine (nee Doyle)
and their infant son Edward were on board. Can anyone help?

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[Susie Zada]

Hello "wollar1914" [no name]

Absolutely nothing wrong with the "arrival" - this is a passenger list of
all who boarded the ship departing England. Changes to this list are then
usually reflected on the actual list or in the summary at the end of the
list.

Edward isn't shown as being 1 year old but shown as "I" meaning infant.

The OP didn't make it clear but I'm presuming that David HOLDEN came
independently and his "wife" Catherine DOYLE waited until their son was born
before making the voyage. Probably why Catherine is shown as DOYLE and not
HOLDEN - either they hadn't married at that stage or she was "booked" to
travel before they were married and hence her name was still DOYLE.

Regards .......... Susie Z

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Post by wollar1914
This if funny because the CD shows Edward arriving as being 1 yearin June
1864
Someone is wrong

[wollar1914]

Thanks for that. I just wondered why they had him as arriving - when it
showed that he had died on the voyage.

I does seem that she may have been Doyle but was certainly married on the
voyage.

Jo
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Post by Susie Zada
Hello "wollar1914" [no name]
Absolutely nothing wrong with the "arrival" - this is a passenger list of
all who boarded the ship departing England. Changes to this list are then
usually reflected on the actual list or in the summary at the end of the
list.
Edward isn't shown as being 1 year old but shown as "I" meaning infant.
The OP didn't make it clear but I'm presuming that David HOLDEN came
independently and his "wife" Catherine DOYLE waited until their son was
born
before making the voyage. Probably why Catherine is shown as DOYLE and
not
HOLDEN - either they hadn't married at that stage or she was "booked" to
travel before they were married and hence her name was still DOYLE.
Regards .......... Susie Z
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Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 12:16 PM
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Post by wollar1914
This if funny because the CD shows Edward arriving as being 1 yearin June
1864
Someone is wrong

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[wollar1914]

Births also indicate that David did arrive some time arund Catherine because
first birth in Vic. was 1865 with Edward being reg as died at sea and then
there was a Mary aged 6 who died in 1884 with David and Catherine as
parents but no birth for her.

This Mary appears to be reg as having James as father and Kate Doyle as
mother in 1877 born and died at Charlton


----- Original Message -----
From: "Susie Zada" <***@zades.com.au>
To: <***@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 1:01 PM
Subject: Re: Empress of the Seas 1864

Post by Susie Zada
Hello "wollar1914" [no name]
Absolutely nothing wrong with the "arrival" - this is a passenger list of
all who boarded the ship departing England. Changes to this list are then
usually reflected on the actual list or in the summary at the end of the
list.
Edward isn't shown as being 1 year old but shown as "I" meaning infant.
The OP didn't make it clear but I'm presuming that David HOLDEN came
independently and his "wife" Catherine DOYLE waited until their son was
born
before making the voyage. Probably why Catherine is shown as DOYLE and
not
HOLDEN - either they hadn't married at that stage or she was "booked" to
travel before they were married and hence her name was still DOYLE.
Regards .......... Susie Z
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Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 12:16 PM
Subject: Re: Empress of the Seas 1864

Post by wollar1914
This if funny because the CD shows Edward arriving as being 1 yearin June
1864
Someone is wrong

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[Russell]

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